In a message dated 3/24/99 11:22:02 AM, Stamperhog@aol.com wrote:

I am doing some "sample stamping" in the Rite in the Rain book with one of
these inks right now, and will let you know the outcome.


And exactly one hour later, I can say that it absolutely posivitely DOES dry,
and will not smear, even with "wetness" applied. So there!!!!

Hoggie

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Stamperhog@aol.com wrote:
> I am doing some "sample stamping" in the Rite in the Rain book with
> one of these inks right now, and will let you know the outcome.
> And exactly one hour later, I can say that it absolutely posivitely
> DOES dry, and will not smear, even with "wetness" applied. So there!

Dennis Williams wrote:
> With regard to the durability of write-in-the-rain. I had a boat
> motor fail while on vacation. My field book was in my pocket when
> I dove overboard to swim to a little island where some folks were
> playing and might have been willing to give us a ride in. The book
> was fine after the swim. Later the same book was in my pocket when
> it went through the washer and dryer. The only negative result was
> a badly worn cover from the abrasion of sloshing around in the
> pocket...

When I combine these two testimonies with my own mini-research
project (soaking the book in the ktchen sink for a few minuts
and still being able to write on it) I can conclude that that's
pure enough research to recommend these for use. I still have to
check on the price but I think its going to come in around $1.50
per booklet, not bad. When I get that info I will post it for you
along with other info on ordering stuff so you will be able to
put together a reliable kit based on these recommendations. Or
I may just order a bunch of stuff (while funds last) and continue
to send it out to you for free. Yea, I kind of like that idea.
I've never gotten over how good it made me feel getting a hand-
carved stamp in the mail from Susan Davis -- makes me want to
share my gifts somehow too.

Dan'l

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Stamperhog@aol.com wrote:
> I am doing some "sample stamping" in the Rite in the Rain book with
> one of these inks right now, and will let you know the outcome.
> And exactly one hour later, I can say that it absolutely posivitely
> DOES dry, and will not smear, even with "wetness" applied.

I definetely do NOT recommend letting kids play with non-water-based inks. I
think encouraging people to use notebooks that do not support water-based inks
is equivilent to recommending that letterboxing be a sport for adults only. I
think we should try and keep it so that you can use any old ink pad you might
have, rather than requesting that letterboxers all use specially-ordered
permanent ink pads. This sport is for everyone... not just those of us who
are into collecting stamps and stamp pads for every occasion.

Some of those permanent inks can even ruin plastic stamps and hand-carved ones
that are made from vinyl erasers.

We should be able to use standard ink pads from a craft store or office-supply
store. For kids, I prefer purely water-based inks, like the ink pads that are
sold at toy stores and in school-supply aisles in the variety stores.

Let's try and keep things simple... with readily available inks and readily
available paper. If we can improve on anything, it should be the containers,
not the contents.

These are just my opinions, but let's not forget about the Kids!!

Sincerely,
Der Mad Stamper

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Letterboxr@aol.com wrote:
>
that are made from vinyl erasers.
>
> We should be able to use standard ink pads from a craft store or office-supply
> store.

Yes... I agree wholeheartedly with Mitch!! I can live with a few
raindrips in my books... The better sketch pads that Mitch mentioned
have a vary high rag content & will take getting damp without hurting
the image much (I have drawn an image on this type of paper in charcoal,
graphite & whatever else, then soaked it in a tub & stretched it onto
stretcher bars... like a canvas... without harming the image).

--
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things

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I get pretty messy with the ordinary inks - keep me away from the
solvent stuff! We usually go out with a couple of 8 year old kids - we
could come home looking like a patchwork quilt.

Many watercolourists soak their papers in water before painting - the
paper in the art pads does stand up to this.

Just my two cents

Susan
Vermont


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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Servatius
To: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 10:48 PM
Subject: [L-USA] Re: Ink for log books


>Stamperhog@aol.com wrote:
>> I am doing some "sample stamping" in the Rite in the Rain book with
>> one of these inks right now, and will let you know the outcome.
>> And exactly one hour later, I can say that it absolutely posivitely
>> DOES dry, and will not smear, even with "wetness" applied. So there!
>
>Dennis Williams wrote:
>> With regard to the durability of write-in-the-rain. I had a boat
>> motor fail while on vacation. My field book was in my pocket when
>> I dove overboard to swim to a little island where some folks were
>> playing and might have been willing to give us a ride in. The book
>> was fine after the swim. Later the same book was in my pocket when
>> it went through the washer and dryer. The only negative result was
>> a badly worn cover from the abrasion of sloshing around in the
>> pocket...
>
>When I combine these two testimonies with my own mini-research
>project (soaking the book in the ktchen sink for a few minuts
>and still being able to write on it) I can conclude that that's
>pure enough research to recommend these for use. I still have to
>check on the price but I think its going to come in around $1.50
>per booklet, not bad. When I get that info I will post it for you
>along with other info on ordering stuff so you will be able to
>put together a reliable kit based on these recommendations. Or
>I may just order a bunch of stuff (while funds last) and continue
>to send it out to you for free. Yea, I kind of like that idea.
>I've never gotten over how good it made me feel getting a hand-
>carved stamp in the mail from Susan Davis -- makes me want to
>share my gifts somehow too.
>
>Dan'l
>
Thank you very much for the plastic container! It seems to be just right
for the purpose. You can put us on the list for a bulk order when you're
are really. See if they will ship to us direct even if the order is from a
bunch of us....getting that price break?

We are happy to announce that a Arkansas letterbox will be placed this
Sunday...maybe two. They will be placed in the Buffalo National River area
in Northern Arkansas. One will be at Hemmed-in-Hollow, the highest
waterfall in the midwest and the other at Indian Creek inwhich is beautiful
with it's own cave and waterfalls. I will be back next week with the clues.

Take care to all and God Bless....Greg and Ginny Bradley>"Astrophysics
Forum" - All about astrophysics.
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I've been reading all the controversy about the waterproof paper/waterproof
ink. Seems that the BEST, most indestructible solution is using waterproof
INK AND waterproof PAPER. However, indestructibility is not the only issue
here. Being the chronological adult that I am, (as opposed to being a MENTAL
adult :o)), I had not thought about KIDS being involved in this. Now, it's
VERY true that kids would have this waterproof ink all OVER themselves, and
all over anyone within 20 feet of them. So, for the sake of including KIDS,
you almost HAVE to have paper that can be stamped with water-soluble ink.
(However, as I understand it, we each carry our OWN ink pads, so we all can
can use whatever we want. )

As for the watercolor paper being able to stand up to wetness... yep, it sure
will. Many arteests DO soak the paper before painting, and it is MADE for
that. So THAT solves the PAPER issue... HOWEVER, even if the PAPER can take
the water, the water-soluble INKS cannot. THey will have faded and run all
over the place, and the images will not be readable. So it's not really the
PAPER that's the issue, either.

So what it boils down to, in essence, is this:

If you want kids to use water-soluble ink, you don;t need to worry about the
durability of the PAPER or the INK. YOu need to worry about the water-
tightness of the CONTAINER!!!!!! If the container is adequate, the rest is
cake!!!!

Hoggie

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> So what it boils down to, in essence, is this:
>
> If you want kids to use water-soluble ink, you don;t need to worry about the
> durability of the PAPER or the INK. YOu need to worry about the water-
> tightness of the CONTAINER!!!!!! If the container is adequate, the rest is
> cake!!!!
>
> Hoggie
>
>



Hoggie:
I couldn't agree more!
Erik


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